Can Believers Doubt their Salvation?
=== David wrote me:
People who are truly saved may doubt but their doubt never leads to hopeless
despair, it ends in just what you said it should end in, a recognition that the
Spirit of God truly has sealed them and given them faith in Christ. ===
My
response: If believers can doubt their salvation, WHERE was the Holy Spirit at
that time? Was He failing to witness to their spirits that they are children of
God? Why was He failing to comfort them? Don't you agree that all believers have
the ability to cry "abba, father"? Or is there a time when believers do NOT have
access to God?
And surely, to say that believers sometimes doubt their
salvation, is to say that God's promises are INSUFFICIENT to comfort believers.
You must say that SOMETHING MORE than the Gospel message is NEEDED to comfort
believers, if you say that a man can believe the gospel and not have the comfort
that he is saved.
=== The very fact
that Paul exhorts the Corinthian believers to examine themselves to see if they
are in the faith supports the fact that sometimes we need to reassure
ourselves. ===
My response: Do you really think so? Supposing a
preacher calls on a congregation to examine whether or not they believe the
gospel. He says, "Do you believe that Christ fulfilled the Law? And do you
believe that Christ took away the sins of His people?"
Now, any believer
in the congregation will immediately think, "Yes, I do believe Christ
accomplished salvation for His people". There would be no delay in
answering the questions.
Likewise, a believer will immediately answer the question in the
affirmative.
"O wretched man that I am! WHO SHALL
DELIVER ME from the body of this death? I THANK GOD through Jesus
Christ OUR LORD!" Rom 7:24-25
No delay! And there was no wavering. Paul
was in the light, so how could he doubt for the second he was in the light of
Christ?
=== While our lives as
Christians are characterized in general with an attitude of faith and assurance,
that is not to say that there will never be times when unbelief
===
My response: I'm glad we agree that people who doubt their
salvation have unbelief in the gospel. They are DOUBTING the SUFFICIENCY OF
CHRIST'S BLOOD to atone for their sins. Indeed, they DON'T BELIEVE CHRIST'S
RIGHTEOUSNESS IS ENOUGH to justify them from all things. They are looking from
SOMETHING MORE than the finished work of Christ as the grounds of their
confidence before God.
Perhaps you say, "someone doubting their
salvation is simply not sure if he believes the gospel".
Well, if
they are unsure about the gospel, they are an agnostic, right?
I do
suspect that a lot of Calvinists doubt their salvation because they say that
faith is MORE than belief. And if faith is MORE than belief, can we be sure we
have it? Of course not. The mystical teaching that faith is "MORE than
understanding the gospel to be true" will lead you to doubt your salvation.
After all, ask yourself. If faith in Christ is MORE than believing the facts
about Christ, then can you be sure you have this thing called "faith"?
On the other hand, if we say that faith is simply "receiving the
testimony of God", being "fully PERSUADED", "abiding in the doctrine
of Christ", "hearing [Christ's] words and believing", "the CONVICTION of things
not seen", "the ASSURANCE of things hoped for", "believing that Jesus is the
Christ" -- if faith is nothing more or less than BELIEF IN THE
GOSPEL based on God's authority -- then we will NEVER doubt our salvation
because it is IMPOSSIBLE to believe THE GOSPEL IS TRUE and to not know you are a
believer in it.
=== If I have a moment of
doubt, it is a sin that Christ has atoned for, but if I am truly a believer my
doubt will not sink me and my assurance will return and strengthen by His grace.
===
My response: OK, let's assume for a moment that a believer
can doubt their salvation and suspect they are under God's wrath. For the sake
of argument, let's assume just for the time being, that a believer can doubt
they have everlasting life and that they can doubt they are in Christ.
Now if a believer doubts they have everlasting life, aren't they thirsty
for everlasting life? And supposing a believer could doubt they are in Christ,
then wouldn't they be hungry for salvation?
Because in John 4:14 Christ
says that believers NEVER thirst for everlasting. Thus, believers must never
doubt they have everlasting life, otherwise they would be thirsty for it. And in
John 6:35 Christ says believers NEVER hunger for the "Bread of
life". So believers must never doubt they are in Christ, otherwise they
would be hungry for the Bread of life.
Since believers NEVER thirst or
hunger for salvation, they must ALWAYS KNOW they have it.
=== I have definitely struggled with whether or not I can
say that Arminians are true believers. To be convinced that someone
has to understand particular atonement to truly be saved, you're going to have
to show me scripture where the apostles included it in their Gospel
preaching. ===
My response: 1 Corinthians 15:3 says that the
Gospel Paul preached included the truth that "Christ died ACCORDING TO THE
SCRIPTURES". Arminians believe Christ died according to their own imagination.
Thus, they do not believe the Gospel.
Hebrews 2:9-18 says that "WE DO
SEE Jesus crowned with glory and honor ... and [that he is a] faithful High
Priest in the things respecting God, in order to MAKE PROPITIATION FOR THE SINS
OF HIS PEOPLE."
Now, Arminians do NOT see this Jesus. Their "jesus" is
not a faithful High Priest, since he failed to redeem MOST of the people he
mediated for ! And their "christ" did NOT make propitiation at all ! His blood
failed to remove the wrath for some of the people it was shed for (it did
not propitiate). Arminians do NOT believe Christ is a faithful High priest and
they do not believe His blood propitiates. On the other hand, believers "see
Jesus ... having brought MANY SONS TO GLORY". (Heb 2:9,10)
Titus 2:14
says that the "blessed hope" is that Christ did "PURIFY A SPECIAL PEOPLE FOR
HIMSELF". Arminians do NOT have this blessed hope because they teach that
Christ's blood fails to purify.
=== I believe some of the Psalms that were
written by David and were written as the result of experiences he
had.===
My response: I see. But where does the New Testament say
the Psalms are the private experiences of the Psalmists? It seems to me
that the Apostles only applied the Psalms to Christ and the
church. Check out... http://Godnoliar.com/psalmlist.htm
=== You take James 1 out of context.
James is talking about doubting in the context of receiving certain blessings
from God, not doubting the existence of God or own salvation as a whole. ===
My response: Correct !!
You're right, James 1 is saying
that the man who doubts while praying "is unstable in ALL his ways". And "let
not that man expect anything from God".
James is saying that there are
two types of men in the world. First, there is the believing man who prays "with
doubting". This man -- the believer -- KNOWS HE IS SAVED, and thus will not
doubt God's promise to answer his prayers.
Then there is the unbeliever. James says that the man that prays
doubting is a "double-souled man" and like "the sea blown about by the
wind."
The point I am trying to make is this -- James sees only two types
of people in the world -- 1) The unbeliever who doubts while praying,
and 2) the believer who prays "without wavering".
In other
words, like James I see no "middle ground" between faith and
doubting. You either believe God's promises are sure and certain, and like
Abraham are "fully persuaded that what [God] promised he is also able to
perform". Or, you are like the unbelieving Jews who "doubted the promises of
God".
You may say I am too black and white !! But the
Apostle John also holds this dichotomy. Read 1 John 5:10. There are only two
types of men, according to John. 1) The one believing God who HAS THE WITNESS IN
HIMSELF and 2) The one not believing God who CALLS GOD A LIAR. And can a
man have the witness in himself, and not know it? It is possible to be in the
light, and not know you are in the light?
In a different context, Paul
makes the same distinction. Here, Paul is speaking about the problem
believing Jews faced -- should they eat the food of the Gentiles? He
concludes that they SHOULD and can eat the food of the Gentiles. Of course,
not all the believing Jews were going to understand Paul's argument
straight away, and they would continue to abstain from foods (which
Paul says are clean and OK to eat).
Thus the
believing Jews who failed to immediately understand Paul's
argument were still saved. And this what because they were being CONVICTED
and were ASSURED by the Scriptures. Paul says,
"Do you have faith? Have
it to yourself before God. Blessed is the one not
condemning himself in what he allows. But the one doubting, if he eats,
he has been condemned, because it is not of faith..." Rom 14:22-23
Is Paul too black and white? To him there were only two types of men,
1) the blessed man who is not condemned and has faith before God and 2) the
condemned man who doubts.
Clearly, if somebody doubts their salvation he
is doubting and wavering. He "cannot expect anything from God" and is "unstable
in all his ways". Indeed, "he has been condemned". For "the one not believing
God HAS CALLED HIM A LIAR".
If a man ACTUALLY BELIEVES that God's Word
is infallible, he will never doubt his salvation. Because the Bible says over
and over again, "EVERYONE believing that Jesus is the Christ IS BORN OF GOD",
"if YOU BELIEVE that God raised Jesus from the dead YOU SHALL BE SAVED",
"EVERYONE BELIEVING in this One IS JUSTIFIED".
If a believer could doubt
their salvation, they would have do deny the infallibility of the Bible. And
Isaiah says that those who speak not according to the Scripture have NO LIGHT in
them. Indeed, it’s not surprising that most Calvinists doubt their salvation.
They are in the dark! And I speak from personal experience. I doubted my
salvation, until I realised that THE GOSPEL is the EXCLUSIVE message that Christ
DIED ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES and BY HIS OBEDIENCE he shall constitute many
righteous.
If you think Arminians are saved, you do NOT believe the
Gospel. If you did, you would recognise that they believe A DIFFERENT
GOSPEL than Paul. And you would realise that since Arminianism is a false
gospel, then Arminians are NOT saved.
Now, if you have come to realise
that CHRIST'S PROPITIATION AND OBEDIENCE FOR HIS PEOPLE is THE GOSPEL, then you
have been converted. It will be impossible for you ever to doubt your salvation
because now you understand and believe the SIMPLE and TRUE Gospel of the
Apostles. You can always fall back on God's infallible promise. After all,
nothing is required of you for your salvation. Christ FINISHED THE WORK. So, to
doubt our salvation would be to call in question the sufficiency of Christ's
work for us. And that is something -- thank God -- the Holy Spirit will never
allow us to do. "HE THAT BELIEVES GOD HAS SET TO HIS SEAL THAT GOD IS TRUE."
John 3:33
"For we have become partakers of Christ, if truly we hold the
BEGINNING OF THE ASSURANCE FIRM TO THE END" (Heb 3:14) As I said before,
only those who have the assurance of faith from the
beginning til the end, are believers, "But Christ as Son over His house, whose
house we are, IF TRULY WE HOLD FAST THE BOLDNESS and rejoicing of the hope firm
to the end." (Heb 3:4). I cannot help but asking this again -- If
someone has doubted their salvation, have they had BOLDNESS and FIRM HOPE at all
times? Surely I am NOT reading to much into these verses when I say
that those who have boldness, rejoicing and hope at all times are saved.
=== While our lives as
Christians are characterized in general with an attitude of faith and assurance,
that is not to say that there will never be times when unbelief, like any other
sin, clouds our judgment ( c.f. Mark 9:23-25..."I do believe; help me in my
unbelief!") ===
My response: It's crucial to look at WHEN the
centurion said "help my unbelief". This was BEFORE the Resurrection. And before
the Resurrection, NOBODY -- including John the Baptist and Thomas -- could be
certain that Jesus was the Christ. They all had doubts and uncertainties about
his messiahship. Nobody could be certain that Jesus was the Christ until the
Resurrection. Why? Because Christ said the Resurrection was the ONE SIGN He
would give to prove His Sonship. So the only way the centurions unbelief could
be cured was by the Resurrection, which would have proved to Him that Jesus was
the Christ. Indeed as Peter says in Acts, the Resurrection was God's declaration
to all men that Jesus is the Christ.
Therefore, BEFORE the Resurrection
NOBODY could be sure that Jesus was the Christ. However, after the Resurrection
and Pentecost, the Holy Spirit declared Jesus to be the Christ. Therefore,
anyone today who denies Jesus' Messiahship is blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
Unless they repent (have a change of mind) they will likewise perish.
What about doubting Thomas? Of course, yes, Thomas was a saved man
when he doubted the Resurrection of Christ. But he was a saved JEW. He was
living BEFORE Pentecost. And before Pentecost NOBODY understood the
Resurrection! This is why Christ said to Peter, "When you are CONVERTED, comfort
the brethren." And to his disciples he said, "I WILL SEND you the Comforter".
Of course, the disciples had the Holy Spirit before Pentecost, but He
had NOT yet comforted them about the Resurrection. He only gave them the
understanding of this truth at Pentecost.
So, yes, the disciples had
doubts about the Resurrection up until Pentecost. But since Pentecost, the fact
of the Resurrection has become "THE POWER OF GOD UNTO SALVATION". And the Gospel
today is that "Christ was RAISED AGAIN according to the Scriptures."
Thus no believer today could have any doubts about the
Resurrection, otherwise they would be denying the Apostolic Gospel.
In
summary -- 1) The disciples had doubts about the Resurrection until Pentecost
when they were given the understanding of it ... so 2) Believers today all
understand the Resurrection so they will never doubt it.
And can someone
believe THAT JESUS IS RISEN and not know they are a believer? Of course
not!